Hogwarts Losing its Roots?

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

Ok, does anyone else here think that this is getting ridiculus that all of a sudden we are getting more and more American Students? I mean, my character is American, but thats because of my plotline (which has also become a major part of the full site plotline)

But now we are getting people signing up with 'tranfers from the States to Hogwarts' with absolutly no reason except to be here n the site. I think we need to start weeding out all the American at Hogwarts, and only have those who are here for a very good reason.

Does anyone else agree with me, or am I just insane?

[Mai Gamit]

It's kind of a yes and no thing. It's is a bit diffacult to come into the middle of the school year when your older . . . plus most of the people who ar eon this site live in America so that is their first connection. I know my characters origin is the UK, while I live in MA, USA . . . It's a flip flop situation Kev . . .

[Claire DeLour]

I have to agree. Hogwarts is supposed to be primarily English teens, with some Irish, Scottish, and other European students mixed in. There were never any American students, and JK Rowling said that she never plans on having there be. I like your plot Kevin because it really has affected the whole site. And you've got a valid reason for coming over, not just "I felt like coming over so ya, I did" cuz each area has a wizarding school for witches and wizards to attend, it's not just Hogwarts, Beauxbatons, and Durmstrang. So ya, I think that the American should sort of be weeded out. No offense to anyone whose character is American, but there are so many! I mean, how many English students are there?

[Dane Malfoy]

It is a good idea, but what about the American teens who want to be here? Is it a simple matter of posting on where your character comes from, or what? My character comes from the States, because I live here, and I am better able to post on what I know, and am familiar with. Trust me, if I could live in Europe, I would, but that's not a possibility.

Just some input.

[Aeryn-Rori Grenit]

Ok, personally I don't think it's that big of a deal that there are American students. I know it doesn't follow the original story, but a lot of the plot lines on this site don't. I'm just saying that in my opinion I don't think it makes that much of a difference if we follow the rules. Because I'm not quite sure if I completely understand this situation, but I do know that I am from Massechusetts, and it would've been a heck of a lot easier if my character was from America. I mean, I would know more about the country, and what it is like there. I mean, what if everybody had a good plotline that went with their character being from America, would it be ok then. I just don't thinkit is fair to the other sudents that are coming from America. But now I'm sounding argumentative, so I'll just stop.

[Maika Spite Blacknight]

I don't think it's a huge deal where we come from. I mean, my character's not american OR english, she's japanese. but still, i mean, who honestly cares?

[Amber Brown]

I would have to agree with Kevin. JK Rowling meant Hogwarts to be a European school. There where no intentions of transfers coming. I understand that Kevin coming here is suppose to be part of the plot line. But come on.......american students shouldn't come to Hogwarts unless they have a good reason.

Also, I am from America, but play a British student. It gives you a chance to do some research on the country to see how it is run.

[Holli McNairson]

I would have to agree with...

Everyone.
-cheesygrin-

I, for one, am very indesicive (xD) and therefore, pick and see from both sides of the arguement.

Mister Phoenis, I see where you're coming from: a very very large majority of the students at Hogwarts bookwise are English, and I have to agree with Miss Brown, my character was raised in the UK, however, she and her brother orginally were born in the States.
So, like I have previously stated, can see from both sides of the debate, here.
And as much as I love Britian, coming from the States adds a small bit of diversity, with slang, and heritage and all.

So, in short--I beleive it should be primarily English students, but maybe we could have a few Yanks, too:
just not -too- many.
(No offence to any and all Yanks here: I'm one myself, so yeah. ;D)

Just a thought.

~Passionately Yours
Holl McNairson
♥

[Branna Prewett]

Um...but "weeding out" American students? Extreme, no? I think if this is causing a major problem for people, when sorting happens maybe people should have to request coming from a different country and give a reason/history/plot for it...that would solve the problem of too many Americans at Hogwarts for those who disagree with it, (ie Kevin, Claire, Amber), wouldn't it?

But as for 'weeding out' the ones we have, that's just ridiculous. Sorry, too heated here, but it's really not fair. So maybe a little more...tolerance...for the situation wouldn't go amiss. I mean, people coming on and saying their character is American don't know that the site already has a lot, do they. Just a point of view, Kevin, and I'm not trying to pick a fight and I hope this doesn't come out the wrong way, but if you'd only found this site now, you'd probably still want to be American, and have your plot...especially if you didn't know we already had a good few American students. It wouldn't be your fault they were here...

...at the same time, I get where you're coming from. If there were a few more Irish students, yes, it would be cool, but if the place was crawling with them, if there were more than just a small few, I'd probably be a little disgruntled too.

So basically, if people feel we have too many Americans, maybe we should require that newbies have to request to be a different nationality and give a reason. BUT I think "weeding out" the Americans that are here is harsh, waaaay too harsh. They're here already, so let them stay.

*slowly deflates*

EDIT: I posted that before I saw Holli McNairson's post. I like what she's said...yes, that's all...ok, bye bye.

[Scarlet Black]

i agree with alot of you, kevin has a great point, it was not intended to have american students.

but i see why its easier for americans to have their character be from america, but isnt it more fun to be someone completely different?

i think branna ahs a great point, when you apply for a new character you should request a certain ethnicity because hogwarts should be a majority of british students.

also to poeple from the states have a taste of adventure, i myself am from california but my character is from wales. your character doesnt have to be you, in fact i dont think it should be.

[Holli McNairson]

scarletvulpez said:

your character doesnt have to be you, in fact i dont think it should be.

Thanks you for putting that so clearly, Miss Black. I was meaning to get to something like that.
And I totally agree with you on that point.

~Holl
♥

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[Kali Riddle]

-is new, and probably shouldn't have much input- -though she smirks-

Honestly, who really cares?
Well, obviously some people do.

But you shouldn't.

Characters have history, this is for people to live out whatever character fantasy they want. They don't have to go strictly by the books. Are the American characters hurting any of you? Unless they are physically breaking you down, I don't see how it should be a problem to you. It's up to the people behind the characters.

-walks out-

[Holli McNairson]

Well, some of us just like to keep it bookwise and such. And you have a good point, with it being up to the people behind the characters, and some of us are arguing against it not having to be -exactly- like the books, but it's nice to have some form of... oh, what's the word... well, hopefully you get what I mean. ;D;;; And they aren't hurting any of us, as far as I've seen, but I still stand my ground, and am trying to keep seeing this from all sides of the argument.

It's fine if you don't care, it's just that we're giving it a good argument and all. At least I'm trying. And, like I said, it's nice to have diversity, but most sites aren't very true to teh books, and call me crazy (which I most certainly am, ) I personally think it'd be nice to see one that's trying.

And I'm not trying to pick fights or anything, just inputing. Don't hurt me... x.x;;;

Right. I should scoot, before I cause trouble. -scoots- >.>

~Holl
♥

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

Ok, i see I might have acted a bit too harsh, here is the reason why I have a problem with the increasing Americans:

My plotline involves me as a Californian, and a former student of a school there known as Graplock. After its devestating destruction, he was privately shipped from the States to Hogwarts for it's protection, the officials there, and the fact that it would be one of the last places to look for an American. This is suppose to be for Kevin an adventure ina new place, with new people, and trying to get around the trama he suffered.

Now, ever since my charater was declared an American, people have been either suddenly changing there characters to be American, or new ones have signed up as such, killing off the reason for my being there. Not to mention where are the Brits?? Of all the freinds my character has made, I can count on one hand the number of Britttish Characters. I know someone said that Americans add diversity, but that stops at a certain number, and then there is no diveristy, its all American. We have reached that point.

Now there are a few people that I have met, who are American characters, but they have a good reason. Such as:

Sarah Black: A fellow Californian, who father happens to be Sirius Black, and therefore moved here to live in Brittain and was accepted to Hogwarts.

DeAngelo Love: His father is part of the American military stationed in Brittain, and was therefore invited to go to Hogwarts

Dameon Cross: This guy was one of the former Death Eaters who happened to have been involved with Graplock.

Now, I guess I was a little harsh when I said weeding out, but I think the Headmistress need to put rules on a different nationalities, preferably those of the Western Hemisphere. I have created the magical world of the United States, and I have create my own site for it. If you people really want to be American Students, thee is no reason why you can't sign up to that. It need more people to sign up anyways. But for here, no more of this "wanted to transfer" stuff that these new characters keep talking about.

Having said this, am I wrong?

[Joanie Deadman]

Not to sound too harsh, but:

Yes. You are wrong.

But I do agree -to a small degree.

First things first: *Goes into patriotic, preacher mode*
You may have developed a plot, but this site doesn't revolve around it. There are people here that want nothing to do with it: they just want to go to school.

Second:
What about the Americans that came before you? Do you expect them to leave?
(and yes, there were some before you: I made one of them as my first character, who was about the 20th character on this site when it was young and empty, seeking members.)

While we're at it (since we are so eager to "go by the book"), why don't we also weed out all of the:

• Animagi (no exceptions, really, especially if you are fifth year and below- even then, they should RP their process out, instead of coming here already knowing; all of the magical creature forms would have to go, since there has yet to be any in the books)
  
• Demons/Demonesses (I hight doubt they would be allowed in the school)(ever)
  
• Elemental powers
  
• All of these Parselmouths/Seers/etc (supposed to be a rare trait, remember?)
  
• Metamorphaguses (ditto)
  
• All of these part/veelas/sprites, etc. (rare if any at all)
  
• Student Werewolves/Lycans/Vampires etc. (Dangerous! Highly doubt it!)
  
• Student Faeries/Dryads etc. (They have their own, inborn magic. Why go to school?)
  
• Specialist mages (fire, dark, ice, etc- definitely not in the book)
  
• All of the new classes (same)
  

And probably many more!

They don't belong in the books. Is someone going to protest for their expulsion?

After all, they only make about 75% of the active members here on the site.

And also: with the attack on Graplock, wouldn't it be sensible that people -especially parents with student-age children- migrate to someplace safer, say, to one of the greatest magical schools in Europe?

I'm probably going to get massively flamed for this, shot down and trample on, but I'm just asking to keep that in mind.

Like Branna said, maybe people should also state a good reason for being here if they are transferring, or something along the lines.

What you can do in the meantime is talk to the admin personally about something of this stature instead of bring it here, and encourage her to encourage the new people joining our site to switch to other nationalities other than "From the Western Hemisphere, particularly America", as compared to the inconsiderable negativity you have shown (like what you said in Mr. Lamar's thread in the Entrance Hall. While you were being sincere, that was quite rude, and being raised the way I was (and the American that I am), I think an apology should be in order).
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*huff* I'm all out.
Peace.

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

I never said the site revovles around my plot, I said it had become part of the plot, if you want examples, talk to any of the Death Eaters, most of the Ministry officals, including Aurors, a few of the Teachers, and of course, the Vampire King, and Fenrir. They all have some part of the plot that "no one wants a part of". By the way, you are also part of that plot, think back to the Escape.

Next, I am not talking about a strict back-to-book site. I am talking a small return into the BRITTISH school of Hogwarts, as this is vastly becoming an American school. Not only real issue is Americans going to Hogwarts for no good reason, and for most, not even a plot to go with it. I am waiting for a reply from the Headmistress, as I directed her to this thread. What is the point of even having an America if all the kids go here? Have you not considered American pride? In book four, during the whole campsite part of the story, there is one part where they mention a "group of middle-age witches sat gossiping happily beneath a spangled banner stretched between their tents that read: The Salem Witches' Institute" Now before anyone tries to shut down Graplock with this, hear me out. Hogwarts is the school for Brittain, but that is a small country. Wouldn't it make sense that for a nation such as the United States, there would be more school? Why aren't American students transferring there then? I'm trying not to attack anyone, but some people are making that hard. As for the American students before me, and a few after me, thats fine. I never said get rid of all the American students in total, just those that have no real reason for being there. I'll even go as far as saying from now on, American students at Hogwarts need a VERY good reason, and Very good plotline, to be American.

Ok, ready for flames or praise..

[Branna Prewett]

"But we're not stupid. We know we're Gred and Forge!"

Just wanted to lighten things up a little...

*hides*

[ditzen]

I think there are more Beauxbatons students here than American students, but yes, I agree there a lot of transfers here. Come on people! Let's get a little more accurate!

[ditzen]

I just really, really like this site. To be honest it's one of the better RP sites I've been to. Dispite the fact that most of the people here don't have very good grammar or spelling. It gets on my nerves but not too much. At first I thought it was because they were a lot younger than me (you know, like 14 or 15) but there are actually people here a lot OLDER than me that make a lot of grammar mistakes. I know it has nothing to do with this topic but it's the main thing that's bothering me. It's more than any of the character plots, we're just trying to have fun with our own fantasies of wanting to be America transfers to Hogwarts.

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

Ah! Alas, I am hurt! Curse you Aireona! He-he Why don't you like it?

But this isn't about my plot, I was using that as an example. But though this site is to have fun, the point is in essance to enjoy the world of Hogwarts as close to J.K Rowling as possible. With my character and plot, I tried to keep with the mastery that Rowling did, and I'm sure that was the Headmistress's intention. But it is actually the people who have registered that are going for every loophole, every cack and pushing this farther and farther away from what Hogwarts is suppose to be about. This site is to have fun, but people are abusing the freedom.

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

Well, yeah I was trying not to have that happen...I guess I failed in that remark... wow, I really did, didn't I... that sucks... o well, can't do anything about it now...

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

well, ok, take care...and we will have to meet

o and PM me your plot, I wanna know

[Azlen Black]

okay so i hope i don't get screwed for saying this but whatever....

OK Kevin i mean this site is for fun. its so we can live out(or as close as we can to actually) experiencing Hogwarts. i mean i understand that JK wouldn't of wanted it like this and i would normally agree (i flip out every time someone I'm talking to messes up a hp fact...) but i just think that we should get to have our characters be who we want.

and yea I'm from Cali, and i made my character kinda from here (shes a black born in England then after parents death shipped to Cali orphanage for unknown reason and then switched back for reasons to be later revealed....) i mean so what if i cant get the ministry and Fenir and the headmistress and half the school involved, it doesn't make you more important than me. now i know it would be more missed if you weren't here than me, but i mean i and most other American characters deserve to be here just as much as you. i mean how do you know that some new transfer doesn't have a hidden plot line hidden up their sleeve that will be awesome.

I mean there are just so many things about this site that Joanie pointed out and i mean if we don't follow those why should we follow this. i mean yea this is a little bigger then just being a parseltoungue, but honestly this site is for FUN. their really is no need to be flipping out just because the nationality balance is off my a considerable amount. and in all honestly i don't really get how you would weed them out thats just extreme. come on this site is for fun.

and i mean how many people on this site wish they went to Hogwarts? i mean i was upset on my 11th bday when i didn't get an owl, and this is the closet i can come. i mean who doesnt wish they could do magic, like i made my character from where i live so its easier to relate to my char.

maybe ive totally lost it, I'm functioning off no sleep. but i thought i should say something along with the other people. sorry if it doesn't make sense.

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

"i mean so what if i cant get the ministry and Fenir and the headmistress and half the school involved, it doesn't make you more important than me"

Hold on, you are all missing the point and going for the details to shut me down. This has nothing to do with me, my charater, or my plot. I am just using it AS AN EXAMPLE! I'm talking about the abuse of freedom to be any character you want.

[Azlen Black]

ok but you did say that the americans who dont have a purpose should be "weeded out". whose going to decide whose plots are important? you? excuse me, but what i said made sense since now your saying:
"I never said the site revovles around my plot, I said it had become part of the plot, if you want examples, talk to any of the Death Eaters, most of the Ministry officals, including Aurors, a few of the Teachers, and of course, the Vampire King, and Fenrir. They all have some part of the plot that "no one wants a part of".
I'm sorry its just that how do you know that somene elses plot wont be as important as yours is now, when they have been on here as long as you. i just think we get to choose you we are and no one should get to tell us to change our plot, just because it isnt significant. I mean what are you gonna do make me delete all my posts, and then completey redo my plot? sorry no.

and isnt this site trying to get people? i mean if i went to sign up and i was forced to have my character from a certain place and there were restrictions i had to follow. i mean i came on this site and was so happy i could be a metamorphamagus. i dont get how its anyones right to shatter our ideas of what we like from hogwarts. i mean who gets to be the chosen ones that get to have the rare traits, i mean we should get to be who we want.

[Kevin Lupin Phoenis]

no, no, once again... I'm talking about those who sign up to be Americans and have no plot. Or those whose plot is just "transfered to Hogwarts and is trying to get through it." thats not a plot. One again, there are actually quite a few Americans who have an actualy purpose, meaning an actualy plot that is more than just a transfer.

I took back the weeding out thing, but I still say we need restrictions just on how far from J.K Rowling's world we can go. This site is one of the last sites that has been as true to her world as possible. All I'm saying that there need to be an actual reason. And for the last time...

I'M NOT TALKING ABOUT THE IMPORTANCE OF MY PLOT!!!! ENOUGH ARGUING OF THAT! I MEAN IT!

For God's sake do you even read all of my post? Now, can someone give input THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME, MY CHARACTER OR MY PLOT?!?!

[Claire DeLour]

OK, first off, w/e to the idea that one can't handle portraying a character so different from themselves. The English and the Americans are like exactly the same! We've got different accents, BIG DEAL!!!!! I've never once been even moderately CLOSE to Europe, but I think I'm doing a good job of portraying a French girl!

O, and I can only think of 1 Beauxbatons transfer, and that's me, so please get your information correct before you post it. Hogwarts is supposed to be a Eurpoean school, not an American school. Kevin is here cuz of Graplock, Dameon is here because of Graplock, Sarah is here because of family relations, DeLo is here because of the military. These are adequate reasons to be an American transfer. Because you don't think you can portray an English student really isn't a reason. They talk the same, you just add that you speak with an English accent, they walk the same, they eat the same, they learn the same, they dress the same. English citizens aren't different from American students at all!

And seriously people, Kevin is using his plot as an example because

a) It's a really good example
b) Whether you want to think it or not, half the plots on this message board center around the attack on Graplock, so Kevin's plot affects like this entire site!

I think that you should have to apply to have a different nationality to keep from several repeats of like Italians or French or Irish, or to keep from the school becoming just another American school.